Tuesday, May 04, 2004
Don't Let The Name Fool You
This probably going to be a long post. These people and their ilk sicken me. Also, I will be including many quotes from Mr. Robert T. Lee and son (the purveyors of this heretical filth). First, their URL:
http://tencommandments.org/
Yeah, go check out the site. I thought, at first, what you probably also thought. At first. "Yeah, incorporating the 10 Commandments into our lives. That's not such a bad idea." Yes, well. That's not exactly what these psychotics mean. If you think I'm being harsh, please enjoy the quotes below. If you doubt that I actually took them from the site, email me or something and I?ll tell you the exact page URL and line number. Here we go! (Any text in italics is a direct cut-and-paste from the site. Any grammar or spelling errors will be left as-is.
From their "JUSTICE WATCH" page:
The purpose of this page is to list crimes as examples to show what God, through His holy Commandments, says should be just punishment for such crimes. This is really none other than a practical application of the penalties of TEN COMMANDMENTS to the crimes of man in a corporeal society. The list is composed of hypotheticals and reports of real cases from various sources. The names and status of the people who committed the crimes are not withheld if they are included in the reports or if hypotheticals are applied to any person. Some of the cases may not be regarded as crimes by local, state, federal or international law, but are nevertheless crimes in the sight of God. They should be regarded as crimes by every sane mind and sane government. None of the verdicts presented should be regarded as harsh, but should be viewed as pure justice.
CASE: "A robber set fire to a 71-year-old woman in southeast Washington who refused to give money, causing a blaze that gutted three homes and left 14 people homeless, police said Tuesday. The suspect, described as a woman in her later 20s, doused the elderly woman with a flammable liquid on Saturday night in an upstairs bedroom and ignited it. The fire spread to the two adjoining houses. The victim was listed in serious condition in a Washington hospital, being treated for severe burns. The Washington Post said the fire left at least nine adults and five children homeless. The robber took $30, it said. The police gave a detailed description of the suspect but declined to release her name or the victim's name." InfoBeat News 12/24/97
VERDICT: The robber should be doused with a flammable liquid and set fire. If she has any property, it should also be burned. If her victim dies, she should also be put to death. No mercy should be shown to her.
CASE: A son or daughter either curses or strikes his father or his mother.
VERDICT: The son or daughter should be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9).
CASE: Jack or Jill is married, but Jack commits adultery with another man's wife, or Jill commits adultery with another woman's husband.
CASE:
VERDICT: "If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)
CASE: My son, daughter, sister, brother, mother, father or husband and etc. has had an homosexual experience, or is gay, but he or she is a doctor, attorney, legislator, scientist, teacher, professor, president or etc.
CASE: Robin Shahar is a lesbian. She lost a job after deciding to marry another woman
VERDICT: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)
And of course, Abortion:
CASE: Federal judges legalize abortion...
CASE: President Clinton vetoes legislation against partial bith abortion
CASE: A doctor performs abortions...
VERDICT: "And if a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death...And if a man injures his neighbor, just as he has done, so it shall be done to him: fracture for fracture, eye for eye tooth for tooth: just as he has injured a man, so it shall be inflicted on him...The one who kills a man shall be put to death. There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 24:17-22)
On this page, above the ?cases?, as if to justify their opinion, the Roberts? print the above verses from Leviticus. Maybe I?m wrong, but I?m afraid they missed the whole New Testament. See, there was this Jesus guy, and he said some very important things. Important mainly because he was, you know, the Son of God (and I must assume this is the same ?god? these sanctimonious morons purport to love and obey). Although Jesus came ?not to remove the Law, but to fulfill it,? he did have a few talks about grace and the like. One that pops out as highly relevant here is this, from Matthew 5:
38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[7] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[8] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[9] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
And then there?s the parts about ?the judgment shall be left to God? and things of that nature. But I don?t want to get to deep for these people. New topic.
On Atheism:
The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its author. satan is its author.
It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his origin in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary's meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says "under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God's existence."
Ok, first, to begin their attack on atheism, they must first re-define atheism. Apparently the mortal dictionary is of no use. They must make up their own TRUE definitions. I?ve met many atheists. I have NEVER met any atheist who denies ?the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist.? Most of the atheists I?ve known were fairly bright and analytical. They are very rational in their disbelief in a god. Now, I realize that a lack of proof of existence does not prove non-existence, but given the dearth of evidence (in the mind of your general intellectual, secular person) one CANNOT have ?full knowledge? of the existence of God. Therefore, atheists, in this man?s twisted definition, can not exist. Jesus himself said (and I paraphrase) ?Blessed are you that have seen me, and believe. But more blessed are those who will not see me, and believe yet.? Sure, if you?re of a Christian (or pick a religion) frame of mind, you can see the evidence of God everywhere. However, that is only because you have a preconceived belief system. You ?know? God exists, therefore His creation proves His existence. This is fine for church chat, but does not work well for witnessing or arguing. Is it not through FAITH that we are asked to follow God? And as the Bible says, ?Faith is the evidence of things not seen (or perceived, or experienced, or known, depending on translation). Therefore, other than through faith, even the most religious among us do not have ACTUAL knowledge of God?s existence.
Let me take the time to say that I am NOT trying to argue for God?s non-existence. I only wish to argue that, as humans, to us, in this incarnation, His existence is not knowable, except through faith. And I do not mean to discount faith as ignorance. It is a wonderful and powerful thing, and for spiritual purposes, it is just as relevant as actual (tangible) knowing.
One more tasty note on Athiesm. I found this comment and response from their Guestbook.
Jonathon Severdia
Comments:
In exposing the atheist,you say that we are not fit to live and should be dealt with accordingly. I hope you realize that this is asking for the GENOCIDE of hundreds of millions of people worldwide. This would constitute a killing thirty to fifty times as horrendous as the Holocaust. How can you, a Christian, member of what is supposedly the religion of love, condone such a horrible thought? Do you have some dark memory involving an atheist? Did an atheist doctor fail to save your mothers life? (as was the case with Hitler and a jewish doctor) How can you, a Christian have so much hate stored inside you?
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Answer: Read Deuteronomy 13:1-11. This is what the government should do. Atheist teach against the true God.
And in case you?re curious as to what Deut. 13:1-11 says:
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
Yeah, I didn?t see any mention of atheists there either. Unless I?m wrong, it?s referring to evangelical idol worshipers. Don?t see many of them around much. I guess this guy just wants an excuse to stone SOMEONE.
Now, let me move on.
On Rights and Freedom:
We, the corporeal citizens of America (and the world community), should acquiesce to the fact that many of the so-called "rights" and "freedoms" guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, its Amendments and the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights are not genuine rights and freedoms, but moral evils in the sight of God.
We should, therefore, not be the least disquieted at the thought of such "rights" and "freedoms" being abridged in any way, as long as only those so-called "rights" and "freedoms" which are truly evil in the sight of God are taken away, and as long as our genuine God-bestowed rights, freedoms and responsibilities to do that which is right in God's sight become state-embraced, state-established, state-guaranteed and state protected, under a new, righteous and perfectly antithetical Constitution - the Moral Law of God, without such a holy Constitution ever being amended in any way, and without the least abridgment of the holy rights, freedoms, responsibilities and rewards such a holy Constitution guarantees.
We should determine to never possess the least respect or veneration for our or any other citizen's so-called constitutional rights and freedoms to do even the least moral wrong, whether such wrong be directed towards God or man; or whether such wrong is performed in the exercise of the principles of the various heathen religions, or the so-called non-religious philosophies; whether performed in the various dialects of speech and press; whether performed in the various types of assemblies or petitions of the government; without partiality unto ourselves, kin, color of skin, national birth, service and position in public office, type of employment; whether educated or uneducated, rich or poor, male or female, young or old; etc.
Ok, I believe that last part speaks for itself.
That?s about I can tolerate on this subject for now. Soon, there will be a blog post containing the full text of an email I sent to Mr. Lee. I would love my readers? comments both on the abovementioned site, and my upcoming letter to its owner.
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This probably going to be a long post. These people and their ilk sicken me. Also, I will be including many quotes from Mr. Robert T. Lee and son (the purveyors of this heretical filth). First, their URL:
http://tencommandments.org/
Yeah, go check out the site. I thought, at first, what you probably also thought. At first. "Yeah, incorporating the 10 Commandments into our lives. That's not such a bad idea." Yes, well. That's not exactly what these psychotics mean. If you think I'm being harsh, please enjoy the quotes below. If you doubt that I actually took them from the site, email me or something and I?ll tell you the exact page URL and line number. Here we go! (Any text in italics is a direct cut-and-paste from the site. Any grammar or spelling errors will be left as-is.
From their "JUSTICE WATCH" page:
The purpose of this page is to list crimes as examples to show what God, through His holy Commandments, says should be just punishment for such crimes. This is really none other than a practical application of the penalties of TEN COMMANDMENTS to the crimes of man in a corporeal society. The list is composed of hypotheticals and reports of real cases from various sources. The names and status of the people who committed the crimes are not withheld if they are included in the reports or if hypotheticals are applied to any person. Some of the cases may not be regarded as crimes by local, state, federal or international law, but are nevertheless crimes in the sight of God. They should be regarded as crimes by every sane mind and sane government. None of the verdicts presented should be regarded as harsh, but should be viewed as pure justice.
CASE: "A robber set fire to a 71-year-old woman in southeast Washington who refused to give money, causing a blaze that gutted three homes and left 14 people homeless, police said Tuesday. The suspect, described as a woman in her later 20s, doused the elderly woman with a flammable liquid on Saturday night in an upstairs bedroom and ignited it. The fire spread to the two adjoining houses. The victim was listed in serious condition in a Washington hospital, being treated for severe burns. The Washington Post said the fire left at least nine adults and five children homeless. The robber took $30, it said. The police gave a detailed description of the suspect but declined to release her name or the victim's name." InfoBeat News 12/24/97
VERDICT: The robber should be doused with a flammable liquid and set fire. If she has any property, it should also be burned. If her victim dies, she should also be put to death. No mercy should be shown to her.
CASE: A son or daughter either curses or strikes his father or his mother.
VERDICT: The son or daughter should be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9).
CASE: Jack or Jill is married, but Jack commits adultery with another man's wife, or Jill commits adultery with another woman's husband.
CASE:
VERDICT: "If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)
CASE: My son, daughter, sister, brother, mother, father or husband and etc. has had an homosexual experience, or is gay, but he or she is a doctor, attorney, legislator, scientist, teacher, professor, president or etc.
CASE: Robin Shahar is a lesbian. She lost a job after deciding to marry another woman
VERDICT: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)
And of course, Abortion:
CASE: Federal judges legalize abortion...
CASE: President Clinton vetoes legislation against partial bith abortion
CASE: A doctor performs abortions...
VERDICT: "And if a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death...And if a man injures his neighbor, just as he has done, so it shall be done to him: fracture for fracture, eye for eye tooth for tooth: just as he has injured a man, so it shall be inflicted on him...The one who kills a man shall be put to death. There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 24:17-22)
On this page, above the ?cases?, as if to justify their opinion, the Roberts? print the above verses from Leviticus. Maybe I?m wrong, but I?m afraid they missed the whole New Testament. See, there was this Jesus guy, and he said some very important things. Important mainly because he was, you know, the Son of God (and I must assume this is the same ?god? these sanctimonious morons purport to love and obey). Although Jesus came ?not to remove the Law, but to fulfill it,? he did have a few talks about grace and the like. One that pops out as highly relevant here is this, from Matthew 5:
38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[7] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[8] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[9] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
And then there?s the parts about ?the judgment shall be left to God? and things of that nature. But I don?t want to get to deep for these people. New topic.
On Atheism:
The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its author. satan is its author.
It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his origin in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary's meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says "under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God's existence."
Ok, first, to begin their attack on atheism, they must first re-define atheism. Apparently the mortal dictionary is of no use. They must make up their own TRUE definitions. I?ve met many atheists. I have NEVER met any atheist who denies ?the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist.? Most of the atheists I?ve known were fairly bright and analytical. They are very rational in their disbelief in a god. Now, I realize that a lack of proof of existence does not prove non-existence, but given the dearth of evidence (in the mind of your general intellectual, secular person) one CANNOT have ?full knowledge? of the existence of God. Therefore, atheists, in this man?s twisted definition, can not exist. Jesus himself said (and I paraphrase) ?Blessed are you that have seen me, and believe. But more blessed are those who will not see me, and believe yet.? Sure, if you?re of a Christian (or pick a religion) frame of mind, you can see the evidence of God everywhere. However, that is only because you have a preconceived belief system. You ?know? God exists, therefore His creation proves His existence. This is fine for church chat, but does not work well for witnessing or arguing. Is it not through FAITH that we are asked to follow God? And as the Bible says, ?Faith is the evidence of things not seen (or perceived, or experienced, or known, depending on translation). Therefore, other than through faith, even the most religious among us do not have ACTUAL knowledge of God?s existence.
Let me take the time to say that I am NOT trying to argue for God?s non-existence. I only wish to argue that, as humans, to us, in this incarnation, His existence is not knowable, except through faith. And I do not mean to discount faith as ignorance. It is a wonderful and powerful thing, and for spiritual purposes, it is just as relevant as actual (tangible) knowing.
One more tasty note on Athiesm. I found this comment and response from their Guestbook.
Jonathon Severdia
Comments:
In exposing the atheist,you say that we are not fit to live and should be dealt with accordingly. I hope you realize that this is asking for the GENOCIDE of hundreds of millions of people worldwide. This would constitute a killing thirty to fifty times as horrendous as the Holocaust. How can you, a Christian, member of what is supposedly the religion of love, condone such a horrible thought? Do you have some dark memory involving an atheist? Did an atheist doctor fail to save your mothers life? (as was the case with Hitler and a jewish doctor) How can you, a Christian have so much hate stored inside you?
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Answer: Read Deuteronomy 13:1-11. This is what the government should do. Atheist teach against the true God.
And in case you?re curious as to what Deut. 13:1-11 says:
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
Yeah, I didn?t see any mention of atheists there either. Unless I?m wrong, it?s referring to evangelical idol worshipers. Don?t see many of them around much. I guess this guy just wants an excuse to stone SOMEONE.
Now, let me move on.
On Rights and Freedom:
We, the corporeal citizens of America (and the world community), should acquiesce to the fact that many of the so-called "rights" and "freedoms" guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, its Amendments and the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights are not genuine rights and freedoms, but moral evils in the sight of God.
We should, therefore, not be the least disquieted at the thought of such "rights" and "freedoms" being abridged in any way, as long as only those so-called "rights" and "freedoms" which are truly evil in the sight of God are taken away, and as long as our genuine God-bestowed rights, freedoms and responsibilities to do that which is right in God's sight become state-embraced, state-established, state-guaranteed and state protected, under a new, righteous and perfectly antithetical Constitution - the Moral Law of God, without such a holy Constitution ever being amended in any way, and without the least abridgment of the holy rights, freedoms, responsibilities and rewards such a holy Constitution guarantees.
We should determine to never possess the least respect or veneration for our or any other citizen's so-called constitutional rights and freedoms to do even the least moral wrong, whether such wrong be directed towards God or man; or whether such wrong is performed in the exercise of the principles of the various heathen religions, or the so-called non-religious philosophies; whether performed in the various dialects of speech and press; whether performed in the various types of assemblies or petitions of the government; without partiality unto ourselves, kin, color of skin, national birth, service and position in public office, type of employment; whether educated or uneducated, rich or poor, male or female, young or old; etc.
Ok, I believe that last part speaks for itself.
That?s about I can tolerate on this subject for now. Soon, there will be a blog post containing the full text of an email I sent to Mr. Lee. I would love my readers? comments both on the abovementioned site, and my upcoming letter to its owner.
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